or will they both claim victory regardless? >> i don't think we will have a major moment in any of these debates, unless somebody does something completely -- incredibly stupid, which mitt romney -- could possibly do that. i don't see president obama doing that. he is a lot more disciplined. he is more comfortable on the stage. , i think than mitt romney. for mitt romney's part, he needs to go out there and not try to be liked. he is not a particularly... likeable candidate. i think he needs to say, i will be a competent technocrat on the economy and focus on that and not try to be a rock star because president obama has that sort of sewn up, i think. in an election like this, where have you high unemployment and people are very, very dissatisfied, i think you have a chance -- that really could be an opening for a challenger. i don't think that you -- normally, voters go with the candidate they would like to drink a beer w. i don't think that's necessarily the case now. >> let's talk about the the fact that president obama is a